Paddy said that the guilt of 5 on starboard. If indeed Titanic had a room called "The Olympic Room" this would only appear superstitious if one believes the ships were switched. Ballard has nothing to gain from keeping it a secret - it would be huge publicity for him. His experiences there provided fodder for the poems in Manila Envelope (1989). Was this done deliberately to help with the switch? And that was a very surreal kind of image for me too to see these little white crabs crawling around in the fireplace of the room that was commissioned for J.P.Morgan. Difference in port side joint plating It is quite possible that those who "remember" Ballard giving a presentation in which he said he saw evidence it was the Olypmic are actually just remembering the documentary entitled "Titanic - The Shocking Truth" which contained fake imagery falsely purported to be evidence of a switch filmed by Ballard. There is no proof that a man named James Fenton, also known as Paddy Fenton or "Paddy the Pig" was ever aboard Titanic; his name is not on any of the crew lists or among any of the survivor lists. As Titanic had a private promenade behind it the fireplace was moved to the "forward" wall this can be also seen on photographs taken by the press on board Titanic on April 10th 1912 a few hours before her departure and also today in the wreck.". Promenade Suites, identical to Olympic's. ", The evolution of Titanic's port side portholes -from May 1911 when she was launched with 14, to April 1912 when she had 16. Order. Take the dining saloon. No, and for one very simple reason: it is a faux marble fireplace. In a similarly themed false claim, it is also stated that "when the supposed Olympic was taken out of service in 1935 (arriving in Jarrow, UK on October 13th 1935 to be stripped and broken down) part of the wood panelling and other parts including the Aft first class staircase, was taken and used in the White Swan Hotel, Alnwick, UK. However, there are several large issues with this theory. To add more books, click here . from the wreck was actually the crows nest (or lookout) bell, and he states: on 4. 1 2. His winning sonnet sequence was later published with the assistance of his professor, poet John Fuller, as Our Western Furniture (1968) and was broadcast on the BBC. 5. 2. Otherwise there is no other evidence crew were forced to sign any "Official Secrets Act." In discussing the claim that "Olympic was fitted with Titanics starboard propeller shaft" Mark Chirnside summarises: "There is no evidence that Harland & Wolff ever used one of Titanics propellers, or propeller blades, on Olympic; there is every reason to believe that they would have had a spare Olympic propeller in any case.". They were only just entering the icefield. As it was named the "Olympic Class" it would hence not be unusual to feature the first ship in any advertising. Claim: The stern section of the wreck has a longitudinal bulkhead, that looks like a temporary repair had been made to strengthen the keel, exactly what had happened to RMS Olympic. Refer to this previous point here for more information on the name Titanic on the wreck. Damage from Olympic's collision with Hawke was more significant He had called This is where it landed, just on that forewell deck. 'Faux' as in false or imitation. We also know that a crew member took First officer Murdoch's wife Ada on a tour of the ship, when she visited. Also several other passengers such as Lady Duff Gordon and Edith Rosenbaum reported ice on the deck. His wartime experiences heavily influenced his ensuing volumes of verse, which included the pamphlet Dead Soldiers (1981), containing a single poem on meeting Pol Pots brother in Cambodia; The Memory of War: Poems 19681982 (1982), including some of his student work; and Children in Exile (1983). The reality is that Olympic's yard number 400 is all over the scrapped items - and this is documented: (see more information on this here). 42. He continues that on the starboard side Steward Wheelton met Thomas Andrews on B Deck and that the boats were visible from the corridor on B Deck. Claim: Olympic was fitted with Titanics propeller. You can also purchase an audio CD of Fenton reading 18 of his best poems (12.99) Lack of testimony. PRODUCED BY AIVL, WHOI Not to mention the difficulty in changing the shell-plating at the bow and stern which bore the ships names - the names were not just painted on the plates, they were cut into the plates in letters four feet high and one-half inch deep that were then filled in with paint. There were no plates or anything that could be swapped over- the name was literally engraved into the ship, then filled in with paint. The crew aboard Titanic from Belfast to Southampton were (except for the deck officers) local operators (or "runners") who mostly worked on voyages that were made locally, and did this with a number of ships, not just Titanic. Above left: Olympic taken when the vessel was in the Thompson Graving Dock in 1911, allegedly shows her to have had a vertical joint in her hull plating immediately forward of the port side anchor hawse pipe. James is a public writer - engag, as he probably doesn't like to say - and it is his poems about war, dictatorship and exile that have won him the PEN/Pinter award. It is true that there was a coal strike and this had serious repercussions for the shipping and maritime industries. Thirdly, in a picture of Olympic, taken during her 1912/13 refit following the Titanic disaster, this allegedly shows this vessel not to have the 'tell-tale plating' joint, which to 'switch' proponents proves 'conclusively' that the hull pictured is that of Titanic although the name Olympic is clearly visible on both sides of the bow. Not to mention, Titanic was part of what was intended to be an "Olympic Class" trio of ships on the transatlantic service. CourtesySteve Hall and Bruce Beveridge's book Titanic or Olympic, Which Ship Sank? The special effects of the . 45. 14. - Coming from Belfast to Southampton. Olympic was recorded as having a tonnage of 45,324 (1911-1912) while the Titanic was recorded as 46,328 - a difference of 1004 gross tons. 40. But does this now mean we should treat with suspicion that there were "numerous" ships in the area when Titanic sank? He later served as Oxford Professor of Poetry (199499), and lectures given during his tenure in that post were collected as The Strength of Poetry (2001). There are a couple of important points to first realise. (Click to enlarge). and this slipped to $4,509,270 in 1911. Going aft he passes boat No. This claim is of course connected to the previous claim that the ship hit, instead of an iceberg, an IMM rescue ship that was drifting with its lights out. Though his verse often treated serious subjects such as political repression and violence, he deployed humour and whimsy with a liberal hand. would have remained in surplus. If indeed Titanic had been insured at the last minute at "$12.5 million," as is alleged by conspiracy theorists, would this not have raised serious alarm bells in the minds of the insurers at the time, especially if it was part of the public record that the value was "$7.5million"? This is the 'meme' here: Ignoring the 'all caps', childish and somewhat emotional captioning, the key part of the image used is indeed from official wreck photographs. But please read this information first, where it clearly shows that Lloyds records do not agree with this at all. The ship being ready to steam was simply because they were trapped by ice and at the earliest time possible would want to continue their journey. Damage from Olympic 's collision with Hawke was more significant 3. The stern wreck image is in fact compiled from thousands of high-resolution images shot during a multi-million dollar, two-month expedition that took place in August and September 2010. Hence post-Titanic-sinking images of Olympic also have this 16 porthole configuration. 5. Firstly, to confirm, bulkheads are the upright partitions dividing a ship into compartments, which on Titanic were 'watertight' compartments or bulkheads. James Fenton, in full James Martin Fenton, (born April 25, 1949, Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England), English poet and journalist who was remarked upon for his facility with a wide variety of verse styles and for the liberal political views threading his oeuvre. Some have analysed the footage concluding for example that the X-shaped viewing field seen in the video is caused by the camera rig's lighting. The claim that he repeatedly referred to Titanic as Olympic seems to be without founding. To be able to go into that room and see that marble fireplace still sitting there keeping quiet all those years had taken a great toll on his health and the sanity Titanic was in fact what the White Star Line called "Olympic Class" - so in effect had the name "Olympic" on her already. About 29 results for James Fenton's poetry masterclass. December 31 st 1911. Claim: The Californian had a cargo of a few thousand woolly jumpers and blankets, as if they were ready for a rescue mission. However, this was not unique to Titanic. Mount Temple (50 miles) Canadian Pacific Steamship Company cargo ship, Westbound, London to St. John's, Newfoundland 18. Although the ship had 14, then later 16, portholes on the port side, she had 15 on her starboard side, and this number remained consistent throughout. Steve Hall does not believe the 'switch' theory at all: "The problem with that doco is it's 13 years old Of course it's Titanic." Early on, she was broadly running level with Olympics In 1912 Paddy [claimed he] was a 22-year- Gewinner und Nominierte des Golden Globe Award in der Kategorie Beste Filmmusik (Best Original Score - Motion Picture), die die herausragendsten Leistungen von Komponisten des vergangenen Kalenderjahres prmiert.Die Kategorie wurde im Jahr 1948 ins Leben gerufen. Claim: The ship was going full steam, but was achieving only 21 knots, rather than its theoretical maximum of 23, despite the Atlantic being exceptionally calm on the night of the sinking. I can see no credible evidence of discolouration that would be proof positive of repair work, especially in the specific location where the Hawke penetrated Olympic's hull. Importantly it is highly unlikely that any crew member would have foregone his pay, and no pay was ever claimed by a crewman named James Fenton. THIS IS NOT A THEORY. Why would it be there? Additionally, especially as the ship was being labelled "practically unsinkable" how would they explain this 'mysterious' flooding to the inquiries that would no doubt take place afterward? Corrections? There are three key points regarding this claim: 1. However, as already established (in this point here) Titanic was, in fact, under-insured by $2.5 million. Bulkhead put on Olympic found in stern wreck Olympic was damaged badly enough to force the voyage to be cancelled. According to Gardiner, the original plan to pull off the sinking after the switch was to slowly flood the ship by opening the seacocks. in a high position in the company, the other man was in a very high position The full speed of the ship is 78 revolutions. About This Item. In 33 von 66 Fllen wurde der Preistrger spter mit einem Oscar ausgezeichnet, zuletzt 2022 geschehen, mit der Preisvergabe . In fact his comment was made at least 30 years after the disaster (he was 20 while aboard Titanic), so could well have been an exaggeration. His father, a hotel proprietor and licensed victualler, was also born in Portsmouth whilst his mother was a native of Alfriston, Sussex. "cargo of a few thousand woolly jumpers and blankets." Has Cameron in fact admitted that Titanic is actually Olympic? damage control, especially prior to an official inquiry.if(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'titanicswitch_com-banner-1','ezslot_2',115,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-titanicswitch_com-banner-1-0'); Claim: Harold Sanderson, from shipbuilder Harland and Wolff, repeatedly referred to Titanic as Olympic at the British inquiry. Lack of publicity for Titanic So that makes it 3 vessels in the area. Frankfurt (140 miles) Norddeutscher Lloyd Line Eastbound, Galveston to Bremerhaven. Hence it is Olympic, not Titanic. Quite simply, while the photograph of the wreck is correct, the image of the "actual Titanic" is not - it is of the Olympic. 38. by Burgess alone, with no collaboration from other eyewitnesses. (2012) which exposes the theory as being completely impossible. It makes complete sense that the local Belfast runners did not sign up for a transatlantic maiden voyage that they were not experienced or interested in doing (losing all the local jobs they were used to) when local Southampton crew were used to such "long-haul" trips. This New York Times newspaper article, printed prior to Titanic's departure, shows conclusively that Morgan would be in Venice on April 23 so he would be in no position to take the Titanic back to the United States and return in time. He was the son of William Francis Butler (b. On the wreck, what remains of the base of the wheel house (right) is clearly straight revealing it is indeed the Titanic (right image courtesy of Ghosts of the Abyss -Walt Disney Pictures and Walden Media). It is correct that Olympic's hull was painted white for her launch to stand out stronger in photographs and film, and that Titanic was not. Titanic was not open for the press and public inspection 48. The Government man read the crew the Official Secrets It was our intention if we had fine weather on Monday afternoon or Tuesday to Titanic was at full steam but not achieving maximum speed There is no record of anyone doing so. The Titanic was carefully inspected nearly every day during her construction and again after arriving in Southampton. Author Steve Hall admits it could be the Olympic Titanic advertising used photographs and artwork of the Olympic. All the Wrong Places: Adrift in the Politics of the Pacific Rim (1988) was an account of his journalistic experiences. Note that of these 6 vessels, 3 were travelling west and 3 were travelling east. Firstly it must be pointed out that Titanic was technically not going "full steam" at the time of the collision. In regard to J.P. Morgan cancelling "at the last minute," research by Mark Baber and posted on Encyclopedia Titanica actually reveals it to be an urban myth. He has worked as political journalist, drama critic, book reviewer, war correspondent, foreign correspondent and columnist. week and that the Captain and the company knew about it. then they absolutely need more than this very doubtful photograph to prove that Olympic's "doubler" is not overlapping and hence it is actually Titanic. Where is the photograph? Which brings us to a total of at least 1047 aboard the Carpathia on the night of the Titanic disaster. James J. Fenton, MD, is a pulmonologist at National Jewish Health. of the surviving crew. It is true that Titanic's bulkheads did not extend to the 'top' and were also not 'sealed' at the top, for a number of reasons. 10. So conclusively, with no 'expert' opinion required, the Olympic's damage does not match this so called 'proof.' The bulkheads were not actually sealed at the top, this oversight allowed water to flow over, filling each compartment, one at a time. Titanic had a "slight, but permanent, list to port" as observed by Lawrence Beesley and "several other surviving passengers.". The number proves that 1. the propellers could and would not be swapped and 2. that it is Titanic. There is nothing here that reveals a 'switch'. Claim: The ice on the deck of the Titanic is explained by Gardiner as ice from the rigging of both the Titanic and the mystery ship she hit. Difference in tonnage The actual triangular hole in the Olympic is much further aft than the location of the so-called 'patchwork' on the wreck. And so we have established that the Olympic's wheelhouse was indeed curved. Was this to hide 12 months worth of scratches and marks on the linoleum's surface? Olympic had 16 bow portholes. Despite the lack of any evidence (and the clearly fictional nature of the claim) it also has no logic for at least 5 key reasons: 1. It is obvious that a rather large dose of imagination has been used to see the alleged 'damage'. Or is the answer because there is nothing there anyway? He always maintained that the iceberg The proceeds financed his journey that year to Cambodia, where he reported on the Khmer Rouge, and then to Vietnam, where he witnessed the fall of Saigon (now Ho Chi Minh City) in April 1975. Stick to the path. Only a limited number of changes required for a switch, 8. 49. Actually it is quite simply medium grey primer that was used on all three Olympic class ships, including Titanic, Harold Sanderson repeatedly referred to Titanic as Olympic The wreck clearly has a flat wheelhouse and hence it must be Titanic. Please note how it does not match the so-called 'Titanic' image in the 'meme.' During this process workers allegedly discovered the name Olympic 'carved into the gunwhales,' as 'the old name had been filled with putty and painted over.' This is another one of those inaccurate claims that more importantly does not make any sense even if it was accurate. Deck plans (Click image to see full photograph). THIS IS PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE AND IT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. 4. He wrote most of them when. Claim: As welding had not yet been invented, it was customary for White Star Line to etch or cut the names of their liners into the steel and not rivet them to the outside. 44. )", By December 1911, Titanic was fitted with an additional 2 portholes, giving her a total of 16. Estimated at over $160 million today, this is more than they could ever have recovered if they had sold or scrapped her. - Fourth Officer Boxhall "a little ice in the well deck covering a space of about three or four feet from the bulwarks right along the well deck, small stuff. (British Enquiry,Day 13) He claimed also that the crew had been ordered to sign the official secrets act. Fenton was born to an Anglican priest and his wife, who died when Fenton was 10. Why only them? Claim: More than fifty first class passengers cancelled at the last minute, many of them friends and business associates of JP Morgan, and Morgan himself (who had money tied up in the White Star Line) also cancelled claiming that he was ill. Morgan was found two days later by a reporter in good health at a French resort with his mistress. If he had been sworn to secrecy then why did he tell only one or two random individuals? The vessel which sailed out of Southampton on 10 April 1912 can only have been a 45,000 ton ship with the last minute addition of 1,000 tons of GRT in her B Deck public rooms and enclosed area on A Deck. Those travelling east bound logically did not depart from England, and so were relatively unaffected by the coal strike. However both RMS Olympic and RMS Titanic had their names riveted oncovering something up perhaps? Surviving crew signed the Official Secrets Act, 35. 43. When or where did he ever say he discovered this? the committee, announcing that he will be in Venice on April 23 for the inauguration of the biennial International Art Exhibition, April 25, and dedicate the new Campanile of St. - Able Bodied Seaman Joseph Scarrott "there was a large quantity of ice and snow on the starboard side of the foredeck White paint on the wreck Titanic 's insurance was increased 5 days before sailing 2. how in just four and one-half days the Titanic reached the position where she sank if she was never able to travel at more than 12 knots! The evidence for this is that it is only mentioned Secondly it was a "national coal strike" so the shortage of fuel would primarily only affect ships departing or visiting England. 9. In fact, the area of the wreck highlighted in this so-called 'evidence' has peeled away from the side of the stern so was most likely further forward on the hull than presently seen. We have been told by the look-out people that there were binoculars on the Olympic? to Gallatin TN (Pop. But most tellingly, there is not one eyewitness account of ever seeing ice on the rigging. 7:15 PM. Under the circumstances it is perfectly logical. His translation of Verdis Simon Boccanegra was staged by the English National Opera in 1985, and he wrote the libretto for the operatic adaptation of Salman Rushdies tale Haroun and the Sea of Stories, staged at the New York City Opera (2004). In another attempt to find a photographic inconsistency to support a 'switch' theory, this one is probably the hardest to see or make sense of. the cast iron fireplace with its veined marble surround to still be in place. everything else was added. Californian was not expecting rockets, but a rendezvous ships the crows nest bell seldom has any writing on it.". For a company that has miraculously been able to switch ships including hundreds of thousands of numbers on the back of wooden panels, without anyone knowing, this seems a rather farfetched and unlikely plan. He is a Fellow of the Royal Society of Literature and was Oxford Professor of Poetry for the . Sometime later in a documentary entitled "Titanic - The Shocking Truth" the following image appeared: An obviously faked computer generated image of the letters M and P on the wreck. What is blatantly omitted in this claim is that of course - as Titanic had only just finished being fitted out and completed her sea trials and was on her maiden voyage (which only lasted 5 days), there was obviously not enough time to produce the required artwork and photographs of her. Fitting out photographs In 1979 he became a theatre critic for The Sunday Times, for which he also later served as a book critic. Captain Smith and Olympic's senior officers stand in the bridge area with the curved wheelhouse clearly behind them, left of picture. Olympic survived too long for a badly damaged ship 4. --Mal 21:03, 18 February 2007 . Nor does it prove Gardiners speculation that the name had been ground I have contacted Steve Hall directly (November 2018) to clarify this and there are 4 important points to be considered: 1. - Yes. Frank Finch's letter paraphrases what his son Dennis recalled from a conversation he had in the early 1970s with an old sailor named James Fenton, also known as Paddy Fenton or "Paddy the Pig": Dennis Fench, who relayed the story told to him by "Paddy the Pig". They would only be interested in shorter crossings. What they seem to miss is that this is clearly a fake, computer generated image, as it doesn't match any other footage ever shot of the wreck let alone the bow section. Even sailing at top speed through dangerous waters it arrived several hours after the sinking. 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