This is why ecclessiolgy and philosophy of ministry is so important. Isnt all scripture is inspired by God ad profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness in order to do good works (2 Tim 3:17-8)? How can you pastor a church if you dont meet the sheep???? As does C H Spurgeon, the author of the quote. Find a pastor who will do your funeral and not punt it to the third tier pastoral staff. There is definitely something missing in this entire scenario. 4). They went to provide medical expertise and other practical support to Nepalese men and women while they preached the gospel. I hear you. I tried real hard to laugh about it. Therefore, the playing field needed to be levelized by having the church comply with certain business ordinances. Thanks, very insightful from your experience with boots on the ground. What I would say is, if you ever find the perfect church, dont join youll spoil it. He actually knew my name and used it." Thats all it is. One thing that does often seem to be missing in men and women these days is Godly wisdom. Example: did the church meet in individual homes? It seemed like individuals from same small group would always have something to share while everyone listened. They must have gone in in laparoscopically. I have been hearing from a few folks. My husband said something that has stuck with me the past few months. But were also jaded when it comes to the typical format of church. I lead meetings as part of my job in problem management; Im generally expected to do two or three a week. Keeping that statement in mind, what does he say about Platt's new role at teaching pastor? The suffering of self-sacrifice in this tent of meeting will produce the godly character necessary for ministry unto the LORD, and then unto others. Coming late to this but yes. Including Dallas Megas who delivered the vote in 2016. He said Bill, this is Christs body, broken for you. I have NEVER had anyone do that in communion before. That s not how it works. 12, 1 Cor. We do exactly what He said not to do, excusing it with the idea we are contextualizing it for today or that today is different than Bible times, and then get our panties in a wad when things go badly. We agree on this. We are there as a BODY to ask what can we do to GLORIFY GOD?, @ Chris: Sovereign Grace Ministries Then we can see that getting out of line with Bible changes the very character of the church. It is not a place for mature Christians to sit in the back and ask 1 man what can you do for me?. We dont know how intimately accquainted Peter and the other Apostles were with all the Jerusalem believers, but it sounds like their lifestyle would lend itself to knowing each other much better than todays mega church pastor. Why we think the head guru can marriage counsel better than those in the Body who have successfully been married 40 plus years. I sometimes despair at being such a talentless, beached whale of an apology for a wordsmith. Based on that I was planning to make MBC my home church. Catching a celebrity pastor is the latest craze amongst growing churches with money an whoe leadership is seeking prestige. On more than one occasion he preached a sermon almost word for word from one of Tom Wrights books. They must have gone in in laparoscopically. He speaks very quietly and sometimes it is hard to make out what he is saying. Platt, unfortunately, was merely a podcast in person. degenerative neurological or motor disorder. Its like a code for the party apparatus, comrade. But I know I cant do that forever. Books. Im not so sure God is so worried about all our acronyms..SBC, IMB, etc Is not our mission unity in love Making disciples, preaching the word to all nations? (The Marriott or Hilton, I cant recall which) Dave Furman, pastor at Redeemer Church of Dubai (the sponsor of the event) went along with the charade and was one of several who were filmed with their faces blackened to hide their identity as they were interviewed. You have an actual job with many other responsibilities. Please keep up the good study. I usually dread listening to missionaries speak, anticipating the guilt trip that they sometime put on other people for not being as extreme and missional and sacrificial as them. Almost all words have their origins in the verb forms. What does any of this have to do with God? Just being a preacher doesnt make you a pastor. Would be beneficial if more people pastored in like fashion. One can improve the business by power of advertising and might of distribution. Because healthy community is missional. And the person made the lecture about as long to read as David Platt like talking head sermon. If Im not mistaken, K. Deyoung is also a competitive masters runner. The messages were pretty much the same. most megachurch sermons are shallow and quite devoid of teaching of Scripture. This has led to speculation that he wears a hearing aid and has speech problems. When Jesus said that He would build His church and said that the Spirit would come, but failed to mention a new book of laws, I guess He just lost His perspective there for a bit? If one is to fulfill the requirements of love, then it is not enough that God loves us but we must also love God, the first and greatest commandment. Why we think we can somehow be in authority over anyone else spiritually? His sermons his weekend gig are dark and uninspiring. Those things cannot be torn apart and pitted against each other; they are part and parcel of the whole. I know of churches that have moved into an area and purchased an existing building. And often a committee wants Adrian Rogers in a church of 300. Other businesses in the area complained that the Coffee House was not a legitimate church service because it was designed to attract young people and compete with their businesses. We are blessed in this country and some others, where we can have buildings and assemble publicly. not someone building a career. I think that people are more comfortable with Jesus loves me (a song) than they are with keep my commandments (a direct quote from the mouth of Jesus) and some folks find it easy to play the two off against each other in order to avoid whatever they want to avoid and take advantage of whatever they want to take advantage of. Think of a bakery. I know many folks like me at Mclean. __ This is it in its entirety. But they serve others, and visit the sick. You can read between the lines Im sure and see how the David Platt thing fits into all of this. The gifts of the Holy Spirit are exercised in a corporate setting. But who else is going to feature that boring hallway that nobody ever uses? Prayer will lead the Church to Glorify God, Shouldnt we all be spending time with Christ, studying? My problem with the tax breaks for churches and staff is they dont want government intrusion but then want to keep special exemptions. One of the benefits this boundary has brought to our church is that we are very clearly not a pastor-centered church. I am sure my staff are wondering why I laughed so loudly a moment ago. Dee, I really like this post, as I used to work at St. Thomas, an Episcopal Church across the street from McLean Bible. solution pollution Posts: 49. We all need to be fed. sigh. Therefore, Who God is and what He has done is paramount for the faith community. The thing about touchpads is they are sotouchy. Is there anyone who has a word from the LORD? Are you prepared to refute the lies of Cultural Marxism spewed by many of todays leading evangelical pastors and authors? I am not convinced the humility David Platt exhibits is real, considering his celebrity status and the lack of persecution from the world. I believe he is fitting in quite nicely with the harlot institutional church, using the Name of our LORD for his own personal glory. I hear some of you saying that you want a personal interaction with a pastor. He has written several books, including Something Needs to Change and Radical. Extremely astute comment, and I agree 100%. I suggest you spend some time in your 10 hours of studying Gods word to review what is involved in being a pastor. They know the church wont stand for taking away the Worship Service, so they gut it of all meaning and keep the label. They care about as much about the Bible as they do about the truth, about justice, about the Fruits of the Spirit, about Jesus, and about those who have been made in His image. As others have already stated here, he is exhausting to listen to, and we feel very beat up after his sermons. 2013-04-01 11:06:03. Well, at least they will try and find you now or at least know your name. If we would just let God be God, He would draw all men unto Himself. Find a church in which the pastor knows you name and truly cares about you-not an abstract you who is just a part of a mass of faces. Of course, we are to do stuff, but the text never says we are to do witnessing as if it is apart from who we are. Warning: Calvins ICR is not the true gospel of Jesus Christ, but a clever vicious lie smothering the life out of the Christian believer who seeks to embrace this incessant smoldering darkness. So if someone says they want a handholding pastor rather than someone preaching the truth of the Word, we can accept that. If you are in Christ and have the Holy Spirit, then you ARE a witness and an ambassador. Perhaps he isnt really so committed to being radical? Translation: I want the congregation to pay me (out of their hard earned money) to read John Piper and Gospel Glitterati books all day and fob off the real work to someone else. Nor do they ever get any deeper. Why do we continue attending fellowships that such a person presides over and wonder why things go wrong? So why do we continue supporting this made up role? Its kind of like I got a new boss one time who made a point to tell the organization that he did NOT have an open door policy. If a pastor cannot take the time to officiate at a members wedding or to provide pre-marriage or marriage counseling, then that pastor has no business getting up and preaching a sermon on Sunday morning about the sanctity of marriage. That said it may be only a contributing reason for the over-use of the pastor title. Now we have Didasko. In an ironic twist, the exact same thing happened at an SBC church my daughter and I attended (some time after my 2nd McLean Bible Church experience) in a different city the pastor became ill and one day announced from the pulpit who his replacement would be not even the elders appeared involved in this situation. i called every single one. One would hope that those who have been given the gift of pastoring by the Holy Spirit, would likewise live their lives and ministries appropriately. Job and home gone in one fell swoop. A Christian (?) He always seems to focus on relational aspects, having a good marriage and family life, caring for each other in the church Never a guilt trip about not being missional enough. Is Lons final act his final rock drop by event'(tm) to take MBC, its 25,000 people and the whole of the Washington D. C. area for a dark closeted stealthy ride into Calvinisms Dystopian fake gospel? Their national director promoted Thom Rainers miserable article on why pastors should not visit often which explains why the pastoral state of their churches was extremely poor when I attended. Platt has always been a figurehead at the IMB, in my opinion. So I went and prayed, then listened to his latest sermon and once again I was reminded possibly by the Holy Spirit how anointed this man is. Anything bursting in there makes surgery, clean up, and recovery much more extensive. Or is FIEC the T4G/TGC/9Marks beachhead in the kingdom? To be fair most denominations have never heard of him as the lawsuit has not received any media coverage over here. Or do you mean the Mega New Testament Church model, in which the large full-time staff are comfortably paid wages from the offering baskets of the local believers (believers that they must manage) especially the ones who are sharing leadership with them on a non-paid basis, fitting it around the hours they work to earn money to live. The bread is indicative of the Bread of Life, and the lighted candlestick indicates someones home the presence of the Holy Spirit. Latent Life Force: Frozen Inside Without A Voice?, Resist or get out of this infected 50(c)3 church, the spiritual life you save may very well be your own, How can you see into my eyes, like open doorsLeading you down into my coreWhere Ive become so numb, without a soulMy spirits sleeping somewhere coldUntil you find it there and lead it back home Trustees also will evaluate McLeans level of partnership with the Southern Baptist Convention. In old English, the verb pasture was turned into the noun, pastor. Though I am partway through a lunchtime bottle of ale. But it is so much easier than getting off our collective duffs and doing our own jobs, huh? Still, he remained there 8 years and was sent off to the IMB with cheers and praise. 13. WebDavid Platt Introduction: David Platt, The disciples world had just been rocked when Jesus turned their thinking up-side down about what makes someone clean. @ Bill: Of course, were they to turn it into a profit center and start renting it out for profit, thatd be different, but nothing in the tax code stops them from performing a community service like that. 12, Eph. Why if Aunt Tilly is sick we think the head shamans prayers are needed more than our next door neighbor sister or brother in Christs prayers? Jesus called us friends not pets. Problem is Jesus shepherded in another fashion and ran off when people wanted him to be a celebrity. Yes- he is doing it for free. Its soft texture conforms to you when you grasp it! The pastor did show for the funeral, but came with an understudy (seminary student?). Or to paraphrase Dilbert: Well just have to agree to disagree. (1) fr. David respected Saul as Gods anointed, even though he had good cause against him. Dave A A wrote: I have heard so much drivel from the pulpits over the years that they probably wont even have to use formaldehyde, or whatever, on my body; the drivel will be enough preservative. We talk about the Pope and Pravda, but I think thats because some of us have seen scary stuff. We both know the answer, yet dont follow this when we have someone adding their own agenda. That seems super deceptive to me. But the church leaders who are in bed with the Gospel Coalition and selling books by Mahaney himself, or DeYoung, Carson, Piper and the others really should know better. The father. It was taped and shown later. Its very much a privilege of churches that can insulate the preacher from the congregation. It is not a place where 1 man is in charge. Have you considered that its because most megachurch pastors care very little about Scripture, as thats just not the point? At the risk of opening up a rabbit-trail of dislike for Mr Warren, he is at any rate correct on this, and he lifts the lid on something that needs emphasising much more often than it currently is. Heres one thats guaranteed to make my progressive brothers and sisters recoil in horror and get their boxers and panties in a dither every time: Find a pastor who will do your funeral and not punt it to the third tier pastoral staff. It has been assigned to any imaginable paid position in an institutional church. Find a pastor who will do your funeral and not punt it to the third tier pastoral staff. My husband said this evening that its like a plague and now even once-immune MBC is falling victim to it. One of the 16 books DeYoung has authored is titled Crazy Busy. DeYoung is eminently qualified to write on the subject. In other words, I am thinking that different people have different needs, and some folks cannot deal with chaos and want rules and procedures and organization and having somebody in charge. As you are well aware, the spiritual life saved, may very well be a personal one. My guess is they are already intertwined in more ways than folks might understand. And, sometimes, you get the pleasure of seeing their petty responses to someone that they have no other way of harming. He and his wife have 7 children. Whenever I feel ashamed to be a Southern Baptist because of the reputation and antics of these snake oil salesmen, I have to remind myself that they are clearly NOT Southern Baptiststhey have only ridden on the coat tails of the SBC to seize fame and fortune. Which is part of why I like liturgy; the sermon can be a dud but there is still substance in the rest of the service. 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